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«Since becoming a mother…»
by Natalie Hemengül
«At your age, I was much more of a rebel than you. My fight was much more desperate»
30/12/2022
Translation: Jessica Johnson-Ferguson
Mother-daughter relationships are always special. Especially intense, especially beautiful, especially complicated. And the relationship between me and my mother is no exception. Time to take stock – from woman to woman, from mother to daughter.
Mother
Jutta’s a mum, daughter, grandma, bicycle collector, environmental activist and psychiatrist based in Vienna. In her role as a psychiatrist, she works with imprisoned convicts, among other things. Outside of work, she’s also a big fan of true crime. She loves the sea, warm days and balmy nights. Her favourite destination for this is Croatia.Daughter
I’m a daughter, friend, sister, editor, social ecologist and former music student. All that’s left from the latter is her extraordinarily large collection of musical instruments and a weekly visit to a jam session. She loves crossword puzzles, even though she’s not good at solving them and would always prefer spending time in the mountains than by the sea.Olivia: What would you think of me if you met me today?
Jutta: I’d think you were an athletic, outgoing and fun-loving young woman.
Olivia: That’s a nice image. Were you also outgoing and full of life at my age?
Jutta: At your age, I was much more of a rebel than you. My fight was much more desperate. I was fighting every norm, my parents and the traditional, rigid and completely unchallenged rules they imposed on me. I wouldn’t let myself be forced into a mould all the time. What do you make of me today?
Olivia: I still see a rebel. A successful woman – independent and impressive. A loving mum but strict when it mattered.
Jutta: When was I strict with you?
Olivia: Even as a young child, I knew I had to get a good education and wouldn’t be allowed to stop before I had a master’s degree. Anything else wasn’t an option in our family.
Still a rebel. A successful, independent and impressive woman.
Jutta: It’s true, that was always important to me. I was the first academic in my family. My doctorate opened many doors for me throughout my life and has done miracles for my self-image. Of course, that’s what I wanted for my children, too. Other than that, I wasn’t strict though, right?
Olivia: Well, you used to tell us to stay away from alcohol because you could see in our pupils the following day if we’d been drinking. Is that true?
Jutta: No, I can’t see alcohol in pupils.
Olivia: So it was a lie? I was always so careful!
Jutta: That was my plan. I also had a rapid drug test handy at home. Just in case.
Olivia: Is this what you pictured motherhood to be like? Drug tests and white lies? As a young woman, what did you think life with children would be like?
Jutta: I didn’t have much of an idea, to be honest. I just didn’t want things to be like they were between me and my mother.
Olivia: Why not?
Jutta: The relationship was very distant. My mother never saw me as a person, but always as a child. We never had deep conversations but only spoke about what I should and shouldn’t do. And everything she was afraid of was forbidden for me.
Olivia: Did you find it easy not to be like that?
Jutta: Even as a child, I knew I didn’t want to be like that. But I also had a different start to motherhood than my mother. My mother didn’t want children, and to me, there was nothing more important from the day you were born. My life revolved around you. It wasn’t hard, I simply wasn’t interested in anything else any more.
My mother never saw me as a person, but always as a child.
Olivia: Did you manage not to repeat that relationship with your own children?
Jutta: You tell me!
Olivia: Definitely. At least from my point of view. I remember our relationship very differently. I’ve always been a mummy’s child. I also knew there was nothing more important to you than us. Just being able to sit here with you and have this conversation proves how close we are.
Jutta: What would you do differently if you had children?
Olivia: Not much. You were always very concerned about our safety – at times, this felt restricting to me and I wanted to break free from it. However, now that I’m an adult, I appreciate how valuable it is to have a mother like that. Who knows what you saved us from. I think I’d be just as careful as a mother.
Jutta: There came a point in my life where I was the sole responsible for two young women. I was so worried about all the things that could happen to you. Especially when you were out late at night or were involved with difficult partners. I just felt like I needed to be very protective. Letting you go was something I often struggled with.
Olivia: Speaking of difficult partners. Remember when I told you about my first boyfriend? Maybe the time has come for you to be honest about that relationship.
Just being able to sit here with you and have this conversation proves how close we are.
Jutta: Yes, I agree. Plenty of years have passed since then. I had quite a shock at the time. You were 14 and he had a moped! That’s not what you want to hear as a mum. I knew you were too young. But forbidding it would’ve led you to meet him secretly. Forbidding things has always been pretty pointless in your case.
Olivia: Maybe I’m more of a rebel than you give me credit for. Perhaps it’s what we have in common most?
Jutta: I generally feel you’re very similar to me. In many respects. We’re both very meticulous with a penchant for perfectionism. We share the same love for music and have the tendency to fight fight passionately for social issues. Overall, we roughly agree on what constitutes a successful life.
Olivia: I agree. I’d add that we both tend to picture worst-case scenarios when we’re under pressure. We both struggle to be optimistic. And yet, I feel that our relationship today is mostly positive and easy. How would you describe it?
Olivia: The terms I associate with our relationship are «warm», «at eye level» and «intimate». You say our relationship has grown over the last 30 years. How would you say it’s changed over the years?
We share the same love for music and have the tendency to fight fight passionately for social issues. Overall, we roughly agree on what constitutes a successful life.
Jutta: Well, I’d say it’s mainly changed with your needs. That’s because the needs of a person – from infant to adult – are constantly changing. The need for closeness changes, as does the role you have as a mother. I no longer need to keep checking how you’re doing. That’s very different with young children. My personality’s also changed over the last 30 years.
Olivia: Now that’s interesting. You played a decisive role in shaping my personality and gave me many important things in my life. You taught me how to play the guitar, gave me a good education and supported me in almost all of my life’s decisions – even though I now know that wasn’t always easy for you. And what did you learn from me?
Jutta: A certain degree of boldness. Time and time again, I was amazed by how naturally you pulled off things I thought would never work. For example, that you went abroad for four years when you were 19 years old without having any major crises. I thought that was pretty remarkable.
Olivia: Thanks, that’s nice to hear. Until now, I thought that trait of mine was more of a burden for you. Today, I’m very grateful for the cosmos we created in our family. For being able to grow up freely, without much worry and for having space for a bit of boldness. What are you grateful for today when you think about us?
Jutta: For everything. That you got your education and are going your own way. And that I never had to use that rapid drug test.
Author: Olivia Leth
Olivia Leimpeters-Leth
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oliver.fischer@digitecgalaxus.chI'm a sucker for flowery turns of phrase and allegorical language. Clever metaphors are my Kryptonite – even if, sometimes, it's better to just get to the point. Everything I write is edited by my cat, which I reckon is more «pet humanisation» than metaphor. When I'm not at my desk, I enjoy going hiking, taking part in fireside jamming sessions, dragging my exhausted body out to do some sport and hitting the occasional party.
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